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The Greatest (2009)

  • Rate: 6.6/10 total 3,385 votes 
  • Genre: Drama | Romance
  • Release Date: 5 November 2009 (Israel)
  • Runtime: 99 min (Hollywood Film Festival) | UK:96 min (DVD version)
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  • IMDb page: The Greatest (2009)
  • Rate: 6.6/10 total 3,385 votes 
  • Genre: Drama | Romance
  • Release Date: 5 November 2009 (Israel)
  • Runtime: 99 min (Hollywood Film Festival) | UK:96 min (DVD version)
  • Filming Location: Rockland, New York, USA
  • Budget: $6,000,000(estimated)
  • Gross: $364,636(Spain)(10 January 2010)
  • Director: Shana Feste
  • Stars: Carey Mulligan, Aaron Johnson and Pierce Brosnan
  • Original Music By: Christophe Beck   
  • Soundtrack: House of Lies
  • Sound Mix: Dolby
  • Plot Keyword: Loss | Car Crash | Flashback | Male Rear Nudity | Title Directed By Female

Writing Credits By:

    (in alphabetical order)

  • Shana Feste  written by

Known Trivia

  • Susan Sarandon was initially reluctant to tackle the role of the grieving mother in the film as she’s played similar parts in recent years, most notably in Moonlight Mile and In the Valley of Elah. She was impressed with writer-director Shana Feste’s eccentric script, and the fact that the film would shoot close to her New York City-area home on a quick 28-day schedule was also appealing. Still, it took a phone call from Pierce Brosnan (who had just signed on to co-star) to finally convince her to commit to the film.
  • Writer-director Shana Feste wrote the script over three months while working as a nanny in Southern California.

Goofs: Continuity: In the scene where Allen is in hospital on the day of his release, the white sheet on the bed slips down and then is magically back up again. This happens several times.

Plot: A drama that is centered around a troubled teenage girl and a family that is trying to get over the loss of their son. Full summary » |  »

Story: Teenagers Rose and Bennett were in love, and then a car crash claimed Bennett's life. He left behind a grieving mother, father and younger brother, and Rose was left all alone. She has no family to turn to for support, so when she finds out she's pregnant, she winds up at the Brewer's door. She needs their help, and although they can't quite admit it, they each need her so they can begin to heal.Written by napierslogs  

Synopsis

Synopsis: Written and directed by Shana Feste, in her feature directorial debut, THE GREATEST tells the story of Allen and Grace Brewer, a grief-stricken couple whose family has been pushed to the breaking point by the death of their older son, Bennett, in a car crash. When a young woman, Rose, shows up a few months later announcing that she is pregnant with Bennetts child, the Brewers are forced to take her in. At first, Roses presence threatens to tear the family even further apart but, eventually, her interaction with each of the Brewers proves to be the very thing that brings them back together.

 

FullCast & Crew

Produced By:

  • Pierce Brosnan known as executive producer
  • Anthony Callie known as executive producer
  • Nissa Ren Cannon known as associate producer
  • Chris Charalambous known as associate producer
  • Doug Dey known as executive producer
  • Ron Hartenbaum known as executive producer
  • Lynette Howell known as producer
  • Aaron Kaufman known as executive producer
  • Douglas Kuber known as executive producer
  • Katie Mustard known as co-producer
  • Katie Mustard known as line producer
  • Myles Nestel known as executive producer
  • Amanda Scarano known as co-producer
  • Beau St. Clair known as producer

FullCast & Crew:

  • Carey Mulligan known as Rose
  • Aaron Johnson known as Bennett Brewer
  • Pierce Brosnan known as Allen Brewer
  • Susan Sarandon known as Grace Brewer
  • Johnny Simmons known as Ryan Brewer
  • Kevin Hagan known as Priest
  • Amy Morton known as Lydia
  • Deirdre O'Connell known as Joyce
  • Miles Robbins known as Sean Brewer
  • Cara Seymour known as Janis
  • Ramsey Faragallah known as Dr. Shamban
  • Jennifer Ehle known as Joan
  • Colby Minifie known as Latent
  • Maryann Urbano known as Cheryl
  • Zoë Kravitz known as Ashley
  • Portia known as Toni
  • Michael Shannon known as Jordan Walker
  • Dante E. Clark known as Dante
  • Ron Scott known as Police Officer
  • Miguel Cervantes known as EMT #1
  • Maya Ri Sanchez known as EMT #2
  • Lindsay Beamish known as Shea
  • Eric Santiago known as Party Goer
  • John Boyd known as Wyatt
  • Cynthia Boorujy known as Rose's Doctor
  • Hannah Hodson known as Amy
  • Miriam Cruz known as Gloria
  • Joel de la Fuente known as Allen's Doctor
  • James Biberi known as Prison Security Guard
  • Wai Ching Ho known as Piano Teacher
  • Mandell Butler known as Bennett's Buddy #1
  • Louis D'Agostino known as Friend #1
  • Alexander Flores known as Geeky Student
  • Cheryl Alessio known as Piano Student (uncredited)
  • Ryan Brandon known as Party Goer (uncredited)
  • Alana Cadiz known as Girl Making out at Movie Theater (uncredited)
  • Cheryl Cosenza known as Hair Stylist (uncredited)
  • Nikita Francois known as Student (uncredited)
  • Alyssa May Gold known as Cheerleader (uncredited)
  • Maria Justine Henley known as Student (uncredited)
  • heather Matthews-Yanoff known as Friend #2 (uncredited)
  • Nick Naney known as Party Goer (uncredited)
  • Javier Picayo known as Jay (uncredited)
  • Garett Ross known as Ryan's Stoner Friend (uncredited)

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Supporting Department

Makeup Department:
  • Robin Day known as hair department head
  • Michelle Johnson known as personal hair stylist: Susan Sarandan
  • Andrea Miller known as makeup department head
  • Jeni Zaharian known as assistant makeup artist

Art Department:

  • Kristen Adams known as art department supervisor
  • Bob Andrews known as assistant to production designer
  • Jamie Arbuckle known as on-set dresser
  • Lauren Brown known as art department intern
  • Scott Canfield known as leadman
  • Mary Fellows known as shopper
  • Dustin Hahn known as art intern
  • Patrick Head known as set dresser
  • Greg Izzo known as set dresser
  • John Jalandoni known as art department intern
  • Laurel Kolsby known as graphic designer
  • Alicia Leatherbury-Lamberti known as scenic charge
  • Michael Lee Nirenberg known as lead scenic artist
  • Susan Perlman known as set dressing shopper
  • Sara Ryer known as art department intern
  • Joanna Vanadia known as intern
  • David Yoon known as art department intern

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Company

Production Companies:

  • Barbarian Films (as Barbarian Film Group) (presents)
  • Oceana Media Finance (in association with)
  • Silverwood Films
  • Irish DreamTime
  • Tax Credit Finance

Other Companies:

  • Creative Artists Agency (CAA)  filmmaker's rep
  • David Haddad  transportation equipment
  • Endeavor Agency  filmmaker's rep
  • Film Finances  completion guarantor
  • Haddad's  transportation equipment
  • IndieClear  script clearance
  • Indiepay  payroll services
  • OneZero Productions  post-production
  • Sessions Payroll Management  extras payroll services
  • Sonic Magic  sound post-production
  • Sylvia Fay/Lee Genick & Associates Casting  background casting

Distributors:

  • Paladin (II) (2009) (USA) (theatrical)
  • Distribution Company (2011) (Argentina) (theatrical)
  • SND (2009) (France) (theatrical)
  • A-Film Home Entertainment (2011) (Netherlands) (DVD)
  • Argentina Video Home (2011) (Argentina) (DVD)
  • Argentina Video Home (2011) (Argentina) (DVD) (Blu-ray)
  • Film1 (2012) (Netherlands) (TV) (limited)
  • High Fliers Distribution (2009) (UK) (all media)
  • Mediaset (2009) (Italy) (all media)
  • National Entertainment Media (2010) (USA) (DVD)
  • Noori Pictures (2008) (South Korea) (all media)
  • Pinema (2009) (Turkey) (all media)
  • PlayArte Filmes (2010) (Brazil) (all media)
  • Soyuz (2009) (Russia) (all media)
  • Square One Entertainment (2010) (Germany) (DVD)

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Other Stuff

Visual Effects by:
  • Christopher Dusendschon known as digital imaging supervisor: iO FILM

Release Date:

  • USA 17 January 2009 (Sundance Film Festival)
  • Germany 7 February 2009 (European Film Market)
  • Czech Republic 3 July 2009 (Karlovy Vary International Film Festival)
  • USA 31 July 2009 (Traverse City Film Festival)
  • Italy 25 August 2009 (TV premiere)
  • USA 8 October 2009 (Hamptons International Film Festival)
  • Qatar 30 October 2009 (Doha Tribeca Film Festival)
  • Israel 5 November 2009
  • Sweden 25 November 2009 (Stockholm International Film Festival)
  • France 2 December 2009
  • Spain 1 January 2010
  • Ireland 23 February 2010 (Dublin Film Festival)
  • UK 25 February 2010 (Glasgow Film Festival)
  • USA 25 March 2010 (Los Angeles) (premiere)
  • USA 27 March 2010 (Method Fest Independent Film Festival)
  • USA 2 April 2010 (limited)
  • USA 17 April 2010 (Nashville Film Festival)
  • Brazil 18 June 2010
  • Australia 9 September 2010 (Blu-ray premiere)
  • Sweden 1 December 2010 (DVD premiere)
  • Germany 2 December 2010 (DVD premiere)
  • Mexico 10 December 2010
  • South Korea 6 January 2011
  • Argentina 14 April 2011
  • Chile 21 July 2011
  • Netherlands 13 October 2011 (DVD premiere)

MPAA: Rated R for language, some sexual content and drug use

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Filmography links and data courtesy of The Internet Movie Database


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  1. lewiskendell from United States
    30 Mar 2012, 2:26 am

    "I want to know everything I would know if he was still alive. I wantmore memories of him."

    After their teenage son Bennett (Aaron Johnson) dies in an accident,Allen and Grace (Pierce Brosnan and Susan Sarandon) are left unablepick up the pieces and move on after his death. But when the youngwoman (Carey Mulligan) who's carrying Bennett's unborn baby arrives attheir doorstep with nowhere else to go, the tension and pain ofBennett's death is brought forward in a way that will either destroythe family, or finally push them towards dealing with their grief.Scenes of Rose and Bennett's relationship before his death are alsowoven throughout the movie, and provide a nice way to better know thetwo characters.

    The Greatest started off pretty well. The scenario of a familystruggling with the loss of a child isn't an uncommon one, but the castseemed well on their way to delivering a solid story about loss andhealing. Mulligan was excellent, and Brosnan and Sarandon were solid,even though they occasionally didn't quite deliver the emotion thatthey were reaching for in a few scenes. No, my problem with TheGreatest wasn't the actors or the premise, it was the writing.

    The story takes the oddest detours at times, often with littlerelevance to, well…the actual story. This really seemed apparent withthe character of Ryan, whose entire subplot with the girl he meets haslittle relevance on his character arc, and made his resolution feelartificial, as a result. And Rose and Allen's trip to a teenage partyseemed completely out of place, and I was left wondering what it wassupposed to add to the story. The characters also didn't appear to havea truly solid identity, and as a result, some of their decisions andinteractions didn't come off as genuine. It's like writer and directorShana Feste had ideas about what she wanted to see happen in the movie,but didn't bother to build those ideas around relatable and believablecharacters. A movie like this depends on making a connection betweenthe audience and the characters, and at times, that connection feltvery hollow, for me.

    The Greatest is an okay movie, but I'm convinced that it could havebeen much better with a script written by someone with a better graspon creating solid characters.

  2. ArizWldcat from United States
    30 Mar 2012, 2:26 am

    This is not a "feel good" movie, but its feelings are true. The storyfollows a family (mother, father, brother) of a young man killed in acar accident in the first scene of the movie. Their lives are jumbledup by the introduction of the son's (brother's) girlfriend. I thoughtall of the actors turned in fine, powerful performances. Even moreimpressive is that the writer/director of the film was a first timefilmmaker. That she was able to get such a marvelous cast in her firstfilm is amazing. This movie reminded me of "Ordinary People," updatedfor today. Of course there are differences, but it's the same genre.

    Although I recommend the movie, know that it's kind of a downer. I havea feeling it won't do well because these days people want movies thatare more of the "feel good" variety.

  3. gradyharp from United States
    30 Mar 2012, 2:26 am

    THE GREATEST is a small film, quietly made in 28 days by first-timewriter/director Shana Feste. The story/script is so unusual andtouching that she was able to gather a rather extraordinary cast tobring this delicate story to life. It remains amazing to many of usthat while the audiences flock to the gigantic CGI big noisy flicks,little jewels such as this film go completely unnoticed. The only hopeis that enough people see this film now on DVD that that both themessage of the movie and the quality of the acting and production gainthe attention THE GREATEST so justly deserves.

    Without introductory remarks the film opens with a brief prelude of thelove between two (just graduated from high school) youngsters who aftertheir first encounter with love pause on the drive home to attempt tomake their feelings into words and BAM – a truck plunges into them andthe boy Bennett (Aaron Johnson) is killed while the girl Rose (CareyMulligan) is spared. The camera takes us rather abruptly to thegraveside where the grieving parents Grace (Susan Sarandon) and Allen(Pierce Brosnan) and their young drug addicted son Ryan (JohnnySimmons) stare blankly into the hole that has been placed in the middleof their lives. None of the family copes with the death well: Gracecan't stop talking and crying about Bennett and searches for a way tofind out how Bennett spent the last 17 minutes of his life (that timebetween the accident and his death) to the point of attending to thetruck driver (Michael Shannon) in coma at the local hospital, awaitinghis recovery to learn about those 17 minutes; Allen is unable to sleepand tries to cope with the tragedy by not allowing mention of it in hishome; Ryan, now on frequent tests to see if he is drug free, attemptsto relate to a group therapy session of kids whose siblings have died.

    Into this dysfunctional crumbling decimated family comes Rose, threemonths later, pregnant with Bennett's child, seeking refuge from amother who is an addict. She is invited to move in, despite the factthat Grace loathes the idea and thinks Allen is merely trying toresolve the grief he has ever faced by attaching to Bennett's onlygirlfriend. The remainder of the story reveals how each of theseinjured four characters gradually interact and by bearing theirpersonal grief with their own life problems manage to find a placewhere they can recover together.

    The acting is superb as one would expect from such a talented cast:Carey Mulligan again shows us that she is an important emergingactress; Susan Sarandon allows us to see and understand the degrees ofnear insanity that grief for loss of a child can distort a life; andPierce Brosnan proves he is a first-rate actor, managing a difficultrole with great sensitivity. The rest of the cast is also excellent invery minor roles – Jennifer Ehle as an ex-lover of Allen, Aaron Johnsonand Johnny Simmons as the brothers, and Michael Shannon as the driverof the truck who gradually awakens form his come to make Grace facesome truths. As for Shana Feste, she is a strong artist and we shouldbe seeing more beautifully crafted stories from her.

    Grady Harp

  4. cl777 from Switzerland
    30 Mar 2012, 2:26 am

    The Greatest, starring Pierce Brosnan, Susan Sarandon, and CareyMulligan (An Education), is a relatively unknown movie by a first timedirector (Shana Feste) that is nevertheless quite good.

    Brosnan and Sarandon are married and play the grief stricken parents oftwo teenage boys, one of whom dies suddenly in a horrific trafficaccident at the very beginning of the film. Sarandon is excellent anddemonstrates she is a superior actress in her portrayal of a mothergrieving I would almost say to the extreme. She is haunted by whathappened to her son, by the fact that he stayed alive for 17 minutesand that she was not there to help him. She simply cannot get over theloss and resents her husband for moving on so quickly. A very poignantscene occurs when he offers her a bell, a sort of tool to help her withher grief, and tells her to ring it each time she thinks of theirdeceased son. She takes the bell from him and starts ringing it-non-stop. This and many other moments were extremely sad, showing howpeople cope with loss in very different ways.

    Things get even more complicated with the early appearance of CareyMulligan's character, the girlfriend of the late young man, and hersurprise announcement. This leads to even more sadness and hurtfulreminders for the mother, but also a certain easing of the pain for thefather, which inevitably results in great tension between the couple.Sarandon gets especially furious, distressed and jealous when, tryingto reach her husband during a break down, she finds his phone turnedoff and learns subsequently that he had gone to the movies with theyoung girl. The scene escalates so much with an almost silent forcethat Brosnan picks her up and throws her fully clothed into the ocean,to awaken her and make her see that her anguish is unreasonable andcausing pain to the rest of the living members of their family.

    The younger brother, appearing almost indifferent at first, succumbs tohis emotions in the second half of the movie. The father, who keeps acool demeanor and tries to hold the family together through hisstrength also finally collapses and interestingly, Sarandon picks upwhere he left off and comforts him, telling him that their son did notsuffer. The whole family and their links are very credible and Brosnanastonished me by being particularly realistic.

    Even if this movie is almost painful to watch due to the difficultsubject matter, it is very well acted and written, making it extremelyemotional and powerful. It ends well so do not be too afraid, but ifyou are a crier, a tear or two will definitely be shed.

    My rating: 7.5 For more reviews please check outhttp://paulinasmovies.blogspot.com!!!

  5. Gordon-11 from Hong Kong
    30 Mar 2012, 2:26 am

    This film is about a family who grief over the loss of their son in atraffic accident. This process is complicated by the unexpected arrivalof a teenage girl who claims to have their son's unborn child.

    "The Greatest" is powerful and touching. The mother, played by theamazing Susan Sarandon, is relentless in knowing the truth about herson's final moments. She gives such a moving performance that anyonegets saddened by her tragic loss. Carey Mulligan also deserves mention,as she displays a spectrum of convincing emotions effortlessly. Judgingby the stream of great movies she is in, she will be a big star andHollywood knows it.

    "The Greatest" is a powerful story that moves anyone easily. As SusanSarandon's character says, once your child is born, a woman knows thather child is the greatest. It is easy to relate to this statement, andyet everyone seems to be forgetting to celebrate this fact. As thisfilm shows, you never know what you have got until its gone. "TheGreatest" is a powerful reminder that you should treasure your familybefore its too late.

  6. pegicardstark from United States
    30 Mar 2012, 2:26 am

    Despite the excellent cast and an interesting idea, this movie wasdifficult to sit through. Many have mentioned the problem of a cameraon a remote road that provided a security tape for the mother to watch,but that was just one problem in a movie full of them.

    One small problem was the button-down father as a math professor. Whilethere may be someone out there who teaches math and pays so muchattention to his grooming, I certainly never met them while I was inschool.

    This professor is also somehow able to afford not just a 4500 sf housein NY, with a maid, but also a beach house, right on the beach. Maybehe made some good investments and maybe he had some huge inheritance,but most professors just aren't that well-to-do.

    Ryan, the brother, and his drug problem seemed a little too easy. Hewas addicted, suddenly decided to get clean with no help except hismother's drug tests. This while his mother is so out of it that shecan't even shop without having a meltdown. And he keeps a stash hiddenunder his bed while getting clean on his own. Just a little unlikely.

    Where I really had trouble was the seasonality. The movie was set inNew York, with a baby due in February. Yet 119 days before the baby isdue, which would be October, the family is at the beach house on aweekend and they swim. In bikinis and swim trunks.

    When the baby is born, in February, in New York, the heaviest outerwearworn is a trench coat. No hats, scarves, mittens, sweaters. Just atrench coat. With very brilliant green leaves on all the trees.

    We are also expected to believe that two teens who make it to 18without sex, have sex with each other the first day they talk to oneanother. They were both in love with each other for 4 years beforetalking, and fell right into bed.

    All the great acting in the world isn't good enough to overcome thediscrepancies that kept popping up in this movie.

  7. Angela Karnes from United States
    30 Mar 2012, 2:26 am

    I hope people see this well-written, well-acted movie. It reminded meof Redford's "Ordinary People", only less dark. This movie interjectswelcome and necessary breaks of humor appropriately and ends so that itdoes not become too much to bear. And it does not dwell or linger in adark place; the scenes change so you move with the story. There is oneshot on the beach with Brosnan and Sarandon which is particularlylovely.

    To see a film that wrings the tears out of your heart 5 minutes into it- only to succumb again and again – AND compel you to laugh out loud,is getting your money's worth. I saw it at the Nashville Film Festivaland though I was into the movie, I could not tune out the audibleemotional gamut of the audience – gentle sobbing, shock, chuckles andlaughter. So it wasn't just me!

    I expected perfection from Sarandon, anticipated good things from CareyMulligan and Aaron Johnson, and was pleased with Johnny Simmons. Whatsurprised me was Pierce Brosnan – not only that he played asympathetic, complex character but also that he exec produced it. Iliked him fine as a Bondsman but I admit I sold him short, subscribingto an eye candy should be seen, not heard mentality. I appreciated hispackaging but never gave much thought to him having any interestingcerebral activity other than walk, smile and stun. Good turn for him! Iwas impressed and he should be proud.

    Again, I am afraid that it will not be seen by many folks unlessMarketing makes it happen. I expected an honest effort but did notreally believe I would like it this much. I am glad I saw it. Thestoryline may not be so compelling in itself to draw in masses butthose who come, will be touched and satisfied.

  8. secondtake from United States
    30 Mar 2012, 2:26 am

    The Greatest (2009)

    A crisis of youth becomes a crisis for a whole family, and it's seriousstuff. There's an attempt, very conspicuous in gesture and angst filledexpressions, to be gritty and real, and it's a believable scenario.It's a tearjerker, surely, an intimate psychodrama dripping insentiment.

    However, the movie depends almost purely on this terrible crisis tosucceed, and that's actually slightly backwards, in movie terms. Thatis, it should be the writing and acting that sweeps us in and makes usshare the grief of the main characters. You end up wanting toempathize, but it's sometimes despite the movie, which pushes veryhard, like a friend who wants to make you feel bad about something. Ithas such touching moments it's hard to quite accept that a lot of it isclumsily written, almost like a high budget beginner's film, whichsounds worse than I mean it. But you'll see, I think, even if you loveit thoroughly, that it works modestly. So accept its flaws, ignore theobvious flashbacks to the good times, skip the dining room table wherepeople are sitting all on one side so we can see them all from thecamera, ignore the patter that is meant to make life ordinary anddoesn't, and so on. Be forgiving or give it a pass.

    What saves the movie (somewhat) from its excesses is the performance ofthe lead girl, Rose (Carey Mulligan), and the father, Mr. Brewer,played by Pierce Brosnan, who is a nuanced dad, whatever his James Bondpedigree, though neither one is given decent lines to work with.(Brosnan was also a producer, go figure.) The mother is meant to bedisturbed in her grief, and she sure is. The sexy grad assistant is tootoo obvious even for the movies. And the brother, well, what is hisrole, actually, just to add a second improbable plot? And there issurveillance video of the crash, which is beyond even reasonableopen-mindedness, given the isolation implied by the first severalminutes of the movie. The sensationalism of that, alone, will warn youof what's to come.

    Okay, one last confession. It gets so emotionally atomic at times, withthe throbbing cellos coming in the background, I had to laugh out loud.I swear. And yet, I see how it deals with some truly, believablygorgeous stuff.

  9. napierslogs from Ontario, Canada
    30 Mar 2012, 2:26 am

    "The Greatest" appears to have a dichotomy between its title andsubject matter. You may expect a love story or a happy exploration ofself and family, but it is a drama, in the saddest sense of the word.

    It is a depressing tale of loss when a young man dies, his family andpregnant girlfriend grieve. Each character grieves in their own way,often with brusque and coarse actions resulting in many feelings ofsolitary – for both them and the audience. It is a slow and sorrowfulfilm to watch; however, if you can get past all the depression anddespondency, "The Greatest" does eventually live up to its title anddelivers on its promises of being uplifting with life-affirmations oflove and family.

    All the actors really are phenomenal including Oscar-nominee CareyMulligan and a new young actor I will be watching for, Johnny Simmons.For fans of loss and grieving films, "The Greatest" is good, but thegreat moments take a long time to form.

  10. banzanbon from New York, U.S.
    30 Mar 2012, 2:26 am

    First and foremost, Susan Sarandon has played this part before; manytimes and she never ceases to bore me. Pierce Brosnan is wonderful.He's the best thing in the movie. Carrie Mulligan's character is easyand not something that required much effort. The younger son'scharacter is vapid and so is the character of the chick who befriendshim in grief counseling. And finally, one never totally given realproof of the relationship between the character of Jennifer Ehle andBrosnan. It's vagueness is so boring…one just wants to say: "Oh forcrying out loud…stop the sentimental innuendo and just lay it outthere." The story is so mundane and throw-away, one almost wonders whythey bothered to make this gushy and schmaltzy film anyhow. The wholething is as if no one has ever lost kids before and no set of parentshave EVER grieved the death of their child.

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